# Exploring AI Network Protocols; Vulnerability Truths and Guarantees; and the News - O'Shea Bowens, Jeremiah Grossman - ESW #469

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Published: 2026-07-27T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Segment 1 - Interview with O'Shea Bowens What do we really know about "AI Network Protocols"? Network security is about to get popular all over again. Generative AI caused a disruptive explosion across all of tech and every company's roadmap. The move from chatbots to AI agents doubled down on that disruption. Now agents need to talk to each other? Boom: we have MCP. A2A. Universal Commerce Protocol. General purpose and specialized protocols for agent communication. What does this look like from the network perspective, though? O'Shea Bowen joins us to answer this question, and he thinks the results are interesting enough to spark a resurgence of interest in network security tooling. Segment Resources: https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/75/documents/Cybersecurity/CSI MCP SECURITY.pdf?ver=bmgiSbNQLP6Z_GiWtRt6bg%3D%3D https://labs.cloudsecurityalliance.org/research/csa-research-note-mcp-security-crisis-20260504-csa-styled/ https://cyberone.security/blog/building-an-ai-security-strategy-without-stalling-business-growth Segment 2 - Interview with Jeremiah Grossman Jeremiah Grossman on why we've been measuring cyber risk wrong for 20 years After decades helping shape modern web security, and building companies that were ultimately acquired by Synopsys and Tenable, Jeremiah Grossman believes cybersecurity has arrived at an inflection point. His argument is a provocative one: for years, the industry has optimized around the wrong metrics. His latest venture, Root Evidence, aims to help security teams identify which risks are most likely to cause meaningful business loss, and he has the evidence - real-world breach data, cyber insurance claims, digital forensics intelligence, attack surface intelligence, and observed attacker behavior - to back it up. Find all of CyberRisk TV's Black…

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