# Hungry? We talk Smoked Meat, Poutine, and Bagel - also, Identiverse Interviews! - John Pritchard, Cassie Christensen, Jaime Lewis-Gross, François Proulx, Kim Brown - ESW #467

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## Resource

Interview with François Proulx from Boost Security Software Supply Chain Security: Build Pipeline (CI/CD) Exploitation Boost Security is the creator of some very popular build pipeline security tools, like Bagel and Poutine. Today, we discuss their latest tool, Smoked Meat. They describe it as "Like Metasploit, but for CI/CD pipelines". Segment Resources: Smoked Meat announcement Smoked Meat github Smoked Meat demo with Guillaume and François Identiverse Interview with Dr. John Prichard from Radiant Logic The Three Identity Problem: Surviving Identity Security's Chaotic Era Identity security has entered its chaotic era. Human, non-human, and agentic AI identities no longer just coexist. They form an uncontrolled inheritance chain in which a human creates an agent, the agent spins up service principals, OAuth grants, and role assignments, and that whole chain keeps running long after the human changes roles or leaves. Most of these chains are being spawned by business users on low-code and enterprise AI platforms, outside traditional identity controls and largely invisible to security. In this segment, Radiant Logic CEO Dr. John Pritchard joins us to unpack why this is no longer a visibility problem. It is an observability problem. And it is shifting the center of gravity in identity security from authentication to authorization. Listeners will leave with a clearer view of where their current IAM, IGA, and NHI programs fall short, and a practical lens for governing the rapidly expanding population of AI agents already inside their environments. To go deeper on what John discussed today, watch Radiant Logic's on-demand webinar Identities Under Attack: How Adversaries Exploit the Human-Machine-Agent Divide at https://securityweekly.com/radiantlogicidv . Identiverse Interv…

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