# Beyond Binary: Sasha Jane Lowerson’s Story

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Podcast: [Second Breakfast with Surf With Amigas](https://stenobird.com/podcast/second-breakfast-with-surf-with-amigas-6397046)
Published: 2024-03-28T14:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

The WSL, the governing body of pro surfers, has altered the rules about the competition qualifications in the women’s division, following along with the olympic guidelines based on hormone levels. This has led to great controversy, both in and out of the surfing world. Today we chat with Sasha Jane Lowerson, a trans woman who has competed and won both in the men’s and women’s divisions in Australia. We talk about the debates surrounding trans competition in pro surfing, we debunk some misconceptions about gender transition, dive into the challenges of dealing with doctors, gender identity, and the biggest differences between competing in the men and women’s division in surfing. Connect with us at https://surfwithamigas.com/ or @surfwithamigas. Episodes produced and edited by Emma Roggenkamp.

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