# Scott & Mark Learn To...A Public 1-1 for Software Engineering Preceptorship

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Published: 2026-03-11T16:15:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode,  Scott Hanselman  and  Mark Russinovich  discuss their recent ACM paper and explore a growing challenge in the tech industry: how to develop the next generation of engineers. They debate the idea of preceptorship programs that train early-career developers inside companies, why many organizations avoid investing in junior talent, and how universities could play a larger role in bridging the gap between education and real-world experience. The conversation looks at the economics of hiring juniors, the risk of companies poaching trained talent, and what it might take to build a scalable pipeline for future technical leaders.       Takeaways:      Many firms prefer hiring experienced engineers instead of developing new ones  Universities could play a bigger role in connecting students with real industry work  Retention incentives might help companies keep talent they train      Who are they?       View Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn    View Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn       Watch Scott and Mark Learn on  YouTube            Listen to other episodes at  scottandmarklearn.to              Discover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at  microsoft.com/podcasts   Produced by Hangar Studios Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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