# I Got It, I Lost It—The Pleasure-Pain Cycle of Transformation

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Podcast: [Scott Kiloby’s Podcast - Natural Recovery from Suffering](https://stenobird.com/podcast/scott-kiloby-s-podcast-natural-recovery-from-suffering-7046224)
Published: 2025-05-07T14:03:03+00:00
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## Resource

In this podcast episode, Scott explores the common experience of oscillating between “I’ve got it” and “I’ve lost it” on the healing journey. He discusses how seeking intense experiences can trigger survival mechanisms due to unresolved emotions, leading to a cycle of temporary relief followed by suffering. This cycle is a natural part of our evolution for survival. Scott emphasizes that transformative practices, such as pursuing non-duality or using plant medicine, can perpetuate this "I've got it, I've lost it" phenomenon. The key to breaking this cycle lies in bringing awareness to the underlying conditioning that drives this suffering cycle, a process that is central to the work done in KI. This episode provides a clear pathway to understanding and consciously addressing these mechanisms. To join Scott’s May 18th jumpstart Group, visit https://get.kiloby.com/jumpstart/. To start this work for free (a prerequisite to Jumpstart), visit https://repressiontest-meta.lpages.co/repression-test-opt-in-page-website/.

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