# Why Virology Needs Defending (In Defense of Virology - Episode 1)

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Podcast: [Science From the Fringe](https://stenobird.com/podcast/science-from-the-fringe-7022876)
Published: 2025-10-17T12:24:03+00:00
Episode link: https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-virology-featuring
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## Resource

In the inaugural episode of In Defense of Virology , Rutgers Professor and Science From the Fringe host, Bryce Nickels joins forces with distinguished virologist Simon Wain-Hobson for a new series that aims to defend virology from bad actors within. Introducing this new segment, Wain-Hobson explains that the real threat to virology isn’t public skepticism, but the recklessness of insiders who promote dangerous gain-of-function (GOF) research and attempt to silence debate. Drawing from his popular series of essays written for the Biosafety Now Substack newsletter, Simon dissects how flawed GOF studies, perverse incentives, and bureaucratic groupthink have compromised public support for virology, and by extension, science itself. Bryce and Simon call for virology to reclaim its integrity—returning to an open, truth-driven discipline centered on understanding viral biology and advancing modern medicine. ( recorded October 14, 2025 ) Get full access to Science From the Fringe at sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/subscribe

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