# Wordware founders, Filip Kozera and Robert Chandler - non-engineers can build AI workflows

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Podcast: [Scaling DevTools](https://stenobird.com/podcast/scaling-devtools)
Published: 2025-06-27T23:02:05+00:00
Episode link: https://podcast.scalingdevtools.com/episodes/wordware-founders-filip-kozera-and-robert-chandler
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## Resource

In this episode we talk about Wordware, programming with LLMs, and what it now means to be a developer. Robert and Filip explain how they're building tools that let non-engineers create AI workflows, why the definition of 'developer' is changing in the AI era, and their vision for background agents that automate your work while you focus on creative tasks. Links: - Wordware - Wordware Sauna Waitlist - Wordware is hiring - Filip Kozera - Robert Chandler This episode is brought to you by WorkOS . If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. P.s. thanks to Oana Olteanu for making it happen

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