# Nick and Zack from WorkOS @ AIE: building real-world AI tools & running conference workshops

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Podcast: [Scaling DevTools](https://stenobird.com/podcast/scaling-devtools)
Published: 2026-05-07T12:45:51+00:00
Episode link: https://podcast.scalingdevtools.com/episodes/nick-and-zack-from-workos-aie
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## Resource

Developers explore how to build agentic loops that connect tools like Slack, Linear, and Notion to eliminate context switching. The discussion covers using LLMs to manage developer productivity and the potential for integrating biometric data into AI workflows.

## Highlights
- Main idea: Agentic loops can automate the entire lifecycle from bug report in Slack to ticket creation in Linear and code verification
- Practical takeaway: Use short-lived tokens and granular permissions to securely integrate third-party data into MCP servers
- Failure mode: Endless stacking of automation loops can lead to developer burnout without defined inputs and outputs
- Practical takeaway: Implementing a retrospective step in AI tools helps maintain memory and prune irrelevant context
- Main idea: Integrating biometric data into LLMs can provide a personalized interface that monitors developer well-being and productivity

## Topics

AI Agents, Developer Productivity, Context Switching, MCP Servers, Automation Loops, Software Engineering, Tool Integration, Biometric Data

## Chapters
- 1:00 — Avoiding Developer Burnout: Discussing the importance of defined inputs and outputs for LLMs to prevent the exhaustion caused by infinite automation loops.
- 5:25 — The Evolution of Coding: Reflecting on the shift from manual coding to managing high-level architectural tasks and workshops.
- 11:40 — Secure Third-Party Integrations: Exploring how to manage permissions and authentication when connecting tools like Gmail to AI agents.
- 13:50 — Eliminating Context Switching: How connecting Slack, Linear, and Notion allows developers to remain in 'focus mode' while automating ticket management.
- 18:00 — Hands-on Workshop Design: The importance of interactive, keyboard-driven learning experiences in technical workshops.
- 26:15 — AI-Driven Hardware Hacking: Using LLMs to rapidly prototype complex systems, such as software-defined radio interfaces.

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