# “Facts Alone Are Not Enough.” This Immunologist Grew up Unvaccinated.

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Published: 2026-06-11T14:28:00+00:00
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## Resource

Dr. Elisabeth Marnik is not your average immunologist. Because she grew up unvaccinated, she has a special insight into why people choose to opt out of vaccine schedules and what can be done to build trust and increase vaccine acceptance. This week on Say More, Dr. Marnik, who is also the executive director of the Evidence Collective, sat down with Say More’s Anna Kusmer to talk about vaccine mandates, the limits of empathy, and why “facts alone are not enough.” Email us at saymore@globe.com. From the Science Classroom by Science Whiz Liz Eureka Day, now playing at the Huntington Theater.

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