# Sari Swears Podcast: Building a Trial Practice That Lasts with Special Guest Michael Cowen

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Podcast: [Sari Swears](https://stenobird.com/podcast/sari-swears-522970)
Published: 2026-02-13T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Michael was here in Portland for our January Masterclass… so of COURSE I had to take the opportunity to sit down with him in the podcast room. 😉 Michael Cowen is a trial lawyer, firm owner, author of Big Rig Justice, AND host of Trial Lawyer Nation. We talk about: 👉🏽 His path from Wall Street litigator to plaintiff trial lawyer 👉🏽 The evolution of his practice (and his firm) over the years 👉🏽 What shifted when he focused on the internal work (not just trial tactics) 👉🏽 Why loving trial is very different from simply getting through trial It's a grounded, honest conversation about growth, professionally and personally, and what it REALLY takes to keep getting better in this work. If you care about mastery, you'll want to listen. Tune in NOW! 🎧 Love, Sari Quote: "I could do all the trial techniques in the world. I could memorize other people's openings and copy their moves. But none of it would matter until I fixed myself. When I didn't trust the jury, when I didn't trust myself, that came through — in my tone, in my body language, in my eyes. And if they don't trust you, they shouldn't trust you. The shift for me was learning to believe that I am just as deserving, capable, and worthy as anyone else — not better, not worse. Once I stopped tying verdicts to my worth, everything changed." Michael Cowen Trial Lawyer Nation Podcast: https://triallawyernation.com/ Can't get enough of me? Connect with me here: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/saridelamotte/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SariSwears Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@SariDLM Free FB Group for Plaintiff & Criminal Defense Attorneys https://www.facebook.com/groups/fromhostagetohero/

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