# Travis Hahler on Why Resistance to Change Is Biology, Not Rebellion

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Published: 2026-05-21T14:06:00+00:00
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## Resource

Travis Hahler, Senior Director of Global Strategy & Transformation at Salesforce and founder of The Neurological Nomad, joins John Golden to explain why resistance to change is biology, not rebellion — and how leaders can read resistance as diagnostic information instead of personal pushback. Learn more at https://www.theneurologicalnomad.com/ .

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