# The Access‑Trust Gap: Why security can’t see what work depends on

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Podcast: [Safe Mode Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/safe-mode-podcast-6421323)
Published: 2025-12-18T21:34:39+00:00
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## Resource

In our final episode of 2025, Dave Lewis, global advisory CISO for 1Password, joins Greg Otto to unpack the “access‑trust gap”: the growing mismatch between what employees (and tools like AI assistants) can access at work and what security teams can actually see, verify, and control. Dav explains how this gap shows up in everyday ways—logins that bypass intended controls, personal devices used for work, and teams adopting apps or AI tools faster than IT can govern them—and why that combination creates quiet but serious risk. You’ll hear practical advice on narrowing the gap with stronger identity checks, smarter device trust, cleaner SaaS governance, and simple guardrails for safe AI use that don’t crush productivity.

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