# Dioxus with Jonathan Kelley

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Published: 2025-06-28T09:37:00+00:00
Episode link: https://rustacean-station.org/episode/jonathan-kelley/
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## Resource

Jonathan Kelley discusses the evolution of Dioxus from a side project to a full-fledged company focused on cross-platform Rust UI. The conversation explores the technical challenges of building a high-performance GPU renderer and the importance of developer ergonomics like hot reloading.

## Highlights
- Main idea: Dioxus is transitioning from a side project to a company-backed framework for multi-platform Rust development
- Technical insight: The Dioxus GPU renderer (Blitz) functions as a custom engine that leverages existing CSS engine logic from Firefox
- Practical takeaway: Hot patching is critical for developer ergonomics, allowing UI updates without losing application state
- Failure mode: Relying on Python for real-time video processing can lead to performance bottlenecks that necessitate a move to Rust
- Development philosophy: A version 0.x release does not preclude production readiness, provided the API stability is managed through controlled breaking changes

## Topics

Rust, Dioxus, UI Frameworks, GPU Rendering, Cross-platform Development, Software Engineering, Hot Reloading, WebAssembly

## Chapters
- 1:05 — The Transition to Dioxus as a Company: Jonathan explains how Dioxus moved from a personal project to a funded company seeking corporate sponsorships.
- 5:45 — Rendering Paradigms: Flutter vs. Dioxus: A comparison of pixel-perfect rendering approaches and the necessity of robust testing systems.
- 14:35 — The Blitz GPU Renderer: Deep dive into the custom GPU implementation and how it utilizes the Firefox CSS engine.
- 23:40 — The Importance of Hot Reloading: Discussing how hot patching improves the developer experience by preserving application state during updates.
- 32:50 — Defining Production Readiness: A look at the spectrum of 'production ready' and how the community views alpha-stage software.
- 46:05 — Community Collaboration and Low-Level Rust: The challenges of maintaining fundamental crates like text rendering and the role of community contributors.
- 50:35 — The Road to Version 1.0: Jonathan outlines the release roadmap and the strategy for managing breaking changes in the ecosystem.

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