# Hard Conversations Build Leaders | Matthew Abrams on Rules for Success

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Podcast: [Rules For Success](https://stenobird.com/podcast/rules-for-success-6737003)
Published: 2026-06-19T14:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/joseph-jv-varghese/episodes/Hard-Conversations-Build-Leaders--Matthew-Abrams-on-Rules-for-Success-e3ks3q3
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## Resource

In this Rules for Success conversation, Joseph Varghese speaks with Matthew Abrams about leadership, conflict, team dynamics, EOS, authenticity, and what it takes to have conversations that matter. Matthew shares how avoiding conflict affected his first business, why leaders often carry old stories into their companies, and how teams can use curiosity, responsibility, and clear requests to move from friction to alignment. This episode is for founders, entrepreneurs, and leadership teams who want to stop avoiding the conversations that could unlock trust, clarity, and better execution. Watch the full conversation at RulesForSuccess.com.

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