# Interview: Former NSA and CIA cyber leaders on offensive AI

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Podcast: [Risky Business Features](https://stenobird.com/podcast/risky-business-features-7716365)
Published: 2026-03-27T01:25:42+00:00
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## Resource

In this interview you’ll hear former NSA executive Rob Joyce and former CIA cyber intelligence leader Andy Boyd talk to host Patrick Gray about how AI is changing the state of art in offensive security. Recorded in front of a live audience at the Decibel Oasis side event next door to the RSA Conference in San Francisco, the trio also talk about why a series of iOS exploit chain leaks don’t seem to be stirring up a scandal.

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