# Srsly Risky Biz: Europe wants to wean itself off US tech

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Podcast: [Risky Bulletin](https://stenobird.com/podcast/risky-bulletin-5423259)
Published: 2026-06-11T06:38:14+00:00
Episode link: https://risky.biz/SRB170/
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## Resource

Tom Uren and James Wilson talk about the European Union’s digital sovereignty push. A divorce from US tech giants is on the cards, but building sovereign infrastructure and chip capacity will be hard. From an American perspective this is an entirely predicable own-goal. You can have internationally competitive tech giants or you can have an aggressive and coercive foreign policy. You can’t have both at the same time. They also discuss the reanimated corpse of NSO Group. It’s in a hole, but it just keeps digging. This episode is also available on YouTube

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