# Between Two Nerds: Set cyberspace ablaze

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Podcast: [Risky Bulletin](https://stenobird.com/podcast/risky-bulletin-5423259)
Published: 2026-06-29T20:18:18+00:00
Episode link: https://risky.biz/BTN172/
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## Resource

In this edition of Between Two Nerds, Tom Uren and The Grugq discuss whether cyber organisations should actually be separated from Signals Intelligence organisations. The Grugq argues that having cyber expertise subordinate to intelligence collection means that many opportunities are never explored. This episode is also available on YouTube.

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