# Between Two Nerds: Nerds at NATO

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Podcast: [Risky Bulletin](https://stenobird.com/podcast/risky-bulletin-5423259)
Published: 2026-06-08T21:03:22+00:00
Episode link: https://risky.biz/BTN169/
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## Resource

In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq speak at the NATO CyCon conference on Cyber Conflict in Tallinn, Estonia. The pair discuss how cyber operations complement conventional military operations and the past, present and future of cyber conflict. This episode is also available on YouTube.

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