# Between Two Nerds: How AI will upset state cyber competition

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Podcast: [Risky Bulletin](https://stenobird.com/podcast/risky-bulletin-5423259)
Published: 2026-04-13T20:29:03+00:00
Episode link: https://risky.biz/BTN162/
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## Resource

In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq discuss how the rise of AI, which is very good at vulnerability and exploit development, will change the cyber security industry and competition between states. This episode is also available on YouTube

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