# Interview with an Afrikaner Refugee ft. Jason Bartlett

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Podcast: [Restoring Order](https://stenobird.com/podcast/restoring-order-6837574)
Published: 2026-05-01T19:31:46+00:00
Episode link: https://www.patrickcasey.com/p/interview-with-an-afrikaner-refugee
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Duration seconds: 2504

## Resource

Note: Jason was kind enough to take some time out of his workday to do this interview. But given that it was not as long as the average Restoring Order episode, I have opted not to paywall it. If you’re here for the first time, though, be sure to subscribe to keep up with and support my work. Thank you! Jason Bartlett is a white South African in Alabama. He joins me to discuss his journey. Restoring Order is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. To begin, Jason recounts his upbringing in South Africa. He provides a firsthand account of the transition from apartheid to race communism. Believe it or not, South Africa is not better off today. This leads to a discussion of accelerationism. I ask Jason whether right-wingers in America who think things need to get worse before they get better are delusional. You’ll never guess his response. Later, I ask Jason what the solution to South Africa’s problem is – assuming there is one. We talk about the high level of corruption in third-world countries and why Western liberals take so much for granted. Jason and I discuss mass immigration to America. Does he think it’s a problem? Tune in to find out. Follow Jason Bartlett on Twitter This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.patrickcasey.com/subscribe

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