# EP494: Six Tensions of Pharmaceutical Drug Pricing, With Sarah Emond Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/relentless-health-value-872220/ep494-six-tensions-of-pharmaceutical-drug-pricing-with-sarah-emond Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/relentless-health-value-872220/ep494-six-tensions-of-pharmaceutical-drug-pricing-with-sarah-emond.md Podcast: [Relentless Health Value](https://stenobird.com/podcast/relentless-health-value-872220) Published: 2025-12-04T11:30:00+00:00 Episode link: https://cc-lnk.com/EP494 Audio file: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/healthvalue/RHV_EPS494_Sarah_Emond.mp3?dest-id=197686 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/relentless-health-value-872220/episodes/ep494-six-tensions-of-pharmaceutical-drug-pricing-with-sarah-emond Duration seconds: 2399 ## Resource In Episode 494 of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter engages in a detailed discussion with Sarah Emond, CEO of ICER, about the intricate dynamics of pharmaceutical drug pricing. They explore six primary tensions within the current system, including the fair valuation of drugs, the misalignment between drug prices and patient affordability, the disconnect between lifetime drug value and short-term insurance assessments, and the challenge of integrating societal and individual perceptions of value. Emond and Richter also discuss potential solutions, emphasizing the need for value-based pricing models free from financial conflicts of interest. They highlight the critical role of payers, PBMs, and drug manufacturers in aligning pricing with value to improve patient access and reduce overall healthcare costs. === LINKS === šŸ”— Show Notes with all mentioned links: https://cc-lnk.com/EP494 šŸ”— Visit our sponsor Payerset https://payerset.com āœ‰ļø Enjoy this podcast? Subscribe to the free weekly newsletter: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe šŸ«™ Support the podcast with a small donation to the Tip Jar: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe šŸŽ¤ Listen on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/feed/id892082003?ls=1 šŸŽ¤ Listen on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/6UjgzI7bScDrWvZEk2f46b šŸ“ŗ Subscribe to our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@RelentlessHealthValue === CONNECT WITH THE RHV TEAM === āœ­ LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/relentless-health-value/ āœ­ Threads https://www.threads.net/@relentlesshealthvalue/ āœ­ Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/relentleshealth.bsky.social āœ­ X https://twitter.com/relentleshealth/ 08:18 Why list prices are a lie. 10:59 How does the rebate model sometimes get in the way of pā€¦ ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/relentless-health-value-872220/episodes/ep494-six-tensions-of-pharmaceutical-drug-pricing-with-sarah-emond/transcription-requests` ā€” Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/relentless-health-value-872220/ep494-six-tensions-of-pharmaceutical-drug-pricing-with-sarah-emond.md` ā€” Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.