# What Comes After the IDE 🖥 — with Amelia Wattenberger

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Published: 2026-03-20T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Today's guest is Amelia Wattenberger, former principal research engineer at GitHub and now partner at Sutter Hill Ventures. But she's also a product lead at Augment Code, where she developed Intent, a developer workspace for orchestrating AI coding agents and delivering complex work. So this is a fascinating chat into the future and the present of software development with someone who has clearly been at the very frontier of this for many years. (00:00) Preview (01:11) Introduction (03:26) What is "Intent"? (09:56) Splitting agents for best performance (12:32) Spec and subtasks (17:46) Decision and generation (22:15) Features, opinion and abstractions (25:37) The note system (27:41) Attitude is reflected in approach (35:21) Engineers in the new era of crafting (37:14) Managing skills applied to an agent environment (39:46) Orchestrating agents (45:50) The future of deep specialists — Today’s sponsor is Intent by Augment. Intent is a developer workspace built for orchestrating agents: it starts with the living spec that updates as agents make progress, so every task stays aligned with no manual coordination. Try it for yourself at https://www.augmentcode.com/product/intent — You can also find this at: • 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm • 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw • 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305 — For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club

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