# Leading Beyond the Framework 🧭 — with Richard Hughes-Jones

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Podcast: [Refactoring Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/refactoring-podcast-6754878)
Published: 2026-03-06T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Today's guest is Richard Hughes - Jones , a professional executive coach with more than 20 years of experience. With Richard, we talked about how to coach tech leaders through uncertainty and everything that's going on with AI, how to navigate it, how we should think about our role, and what it means to step outside of the framework. We also explored how to leverage AI for coaching, how to blend human and AI advice to get the best of both worlds. (00:00) Preview (01:08) Introduction (02:26) Richard's journey into coaching (04:23) Sponsor break (05:19) Coaching without engineering background (07:27) Most common challenges (11:39) Helping people in uncertainty (19:10) Good for the team Vs Good for the business (22:13) Are frameworks limiting? (27:10) Creating a personal framework (31:49) Am I trying to be the hero? (34:35) Usual questions (39:07) AI and coaching Link to article mentioned in the interview: https://richardhughesjones.substack.com/p/052-special-edition-what-i-learned — Today’s sponsor is Intent by Augment. Intent is a developer workspace built for orchestrating agents: it starts with the living spec that updates as agents make progress, so every task stays aligned with no manual coordination. Try it for yourself at https://www.augmentcode.com/product/intent — You can also find this at: • 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm • 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw • 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305 — For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club

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