# RR006: How leaders must adapt now to successfully scale AI, with Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, AWS

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Podcast: [Realities Remixed](https://stenobird.com/podcast/realities-remixed-5821097)
Published: 2026-03-26T04:45:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3850

## Resource

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech. In a world defined by constant change, leaders must evolve from rigid hierarchies to emotionally intelligent, empowering leadership. By fostering adaptability, continuous learning, distributed leadership, and a culture of curiosity, organisations become better equipped to navigate technological disruptions, such as AI, with resilience and innovation. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, Executives in Residence at AWS to explore what it really takes for organisations to thrive in a world of continuous transformation, and why rigid hierarchies, control, and over-designed change programmes so often get in the way. TLDR 00:42 – Guest introduction and overview of this week’s theme 01:26 – Team dig-in: A new cycle of change is on it's way 19:27 – In‑depth conversation with Jana and Phil 57:37 – Octopus playlist and case study highlights Guest Jana Werner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janawerner1/ Phil Le-Brun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillebrun/ https://www.theoctopusorganization.com/ A Guide to Thriving in a World of Continuous Transformation Hosts Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/ Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ Production Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/ Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ Sound Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/ Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

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