# What Trump Really Thinks About His Legacy (ft. Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman)

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Podcast: [Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov](https://stenobird.com/podcast/raging-moderates-with-scott-galloway-and-jessica-tarlov-7056644)
Published: 2026-06-25T23:08:00+00:00
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Got a question for Scott or Jessica? We're putting together a summer mailbag episode — send a short voice recording with your question to ragingmoderates@profgmedia.com. We may feature yours on the show! Jessica Tarlov is joined by reporters Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman, authors of the brand new explosive book Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump. They talk about what it is really like inside the Trump White House, the unprecedented ways in which Trump wields presidential power, and how their monumental yearslong investigative reporting effort led to this exposé full of shocking, never-before-reported stories. They begin with Jonathan and Maggie’s reporting on the start of the Iran war, and the unbelievable confrontation that took place in the White House Situation Room that immediately splintered Trump’s cabinet. They dive into the Epstein saga, and what the administration’s crisis management meetings were like behind the scenes — including the abandoned effort by the DOJ to release their own Epstein files database. That never made it out into the world, due to some of the contents being about Trump himself.Plus: Jonathan Maggie talk about how they determined who and what to believe when members of the administration started turning on each other. How loyal are his supposedly loyal aides? Will Trump really leave office in 2029, or is he building a fortified bunker underneath the new ballroom? And, given the changing role of print journalism in the age of TikTok and political influencers, what will the media landscape — and politics in America — even look like… post-Trump? Get your tickets now for our live show at 92NY: https://www.92ny.org/event/scott-galloway-and-jessica-tarlov For ad-free episodes, exclusive livestreams, and to connect…

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