# Changing Australia: Sam Paior and Ben Paior-Smith on creating a more equal world for people with disability

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Podcast: [Radio National Breakfast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/radio-national-breakfast-572135)
Published: 2026-05-20T22:15:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/changing-oz-sam-paior-ben-paior-smith-a-more-equal-world/106703358
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Duration seconds: 746

## Resource

Sam Paior is the founder of support group Growing Space and co-creator of the award-winning Make It Easy app.

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