# Episode 44: Who the Hell Built the BCBA Industrial Complex? with Dr. Han-Leong Goh

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Podcast: [Rad N Bad Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/rad-n-bad-podcast-7370394)
Published: 2026-07-24T13:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 5375

## Resource

The BCBA credential has never been more valuable. So why do so many new clinicians feel completely unprepared? Sean Yocum and Mike Carrero welcome Dr. Han-Leong Goh for an unapologetic conversation about the systems shaping modern behavior analysis. From graduate education and supervision to insurance reform, billable hours, leadership, and mentorship, they examine how good intentions created incentives that don't always produce great clinicians. The conversation isn't about blaming universities, employers, or behavior analysts. It's about asking whether the profession has accidentally built a system that rewards the wrong behaviors—and what it would take to rebuild it.

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