# Episode 40: Who the Hell is Dr. Erin Moran? From Backpacking Kazakhstan to Dismantling Corporate ABA

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Podcast: [Rad N Bad Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/rad-n-bad-podcast-7370394)
Published: 2026-06-17T13:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Most people in the tech space claim they understand the frontline trenches. They haven’t. This week, Sean and Mike pull back the curtain on the corporate contingencies crippling clinical quality, and they are joined by someone who has lived a literal clinical Odyssey: Dr. Erin Moran, Director of Clinical Innovation at Hi-Rasmus. Dr. Moran didn’t just climb a corporate tech ladder. She has been thrown into a room with 38 six-year-olds in a Thai port city with zero support. She has backpacked into the freezing winter of Eastern Kazakhstan with nothing but shorts and a tank top to build parent-led behavior programs from scratch, getting her passport stamped in a dark back alley just to help moms who were told their children's autism was their fault. She has sat on the highly critical academic stages of London as the only BCBA in the room, defending the core science against massive systemic stigma. Sean, Mike, and Erin strip away the marketing fluff and toxic positivity to expose the systemic failures of modern, commercialized operations, including: The Rebrand Trap: Why the anti-ABA movement isn't attacking our scientific principles, but rather a rigid, high-hour commercialized therapy model that operates like a corporate religion. The 40-Hour Checkbox Crisis: Tearing down the passive, uninspiring video training models that are producing catastrophic 18% RBT exam pass rates across major national providers, and why real Behavior Skills Training (BST) cannot be scaled through a computer screen. The Circus Trick of Dependency: Why an intervention that only works when a clinician is standing in the room is a total failure, and how Erin used pure science to train Kazakhstani mothers to become the university professors training the next generation of therapists. Engineering Sof…

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