# Episode 39: No Man's Land-The Forbidden E-Word: Why You Can’t Escape Extinction

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Podcast: [Rad N Bad Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/rad-n-bad-podcast-7370394)
Published: 2026-06-08T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sean-carrero/episodes/Episode-39-No-Mans-Land-The-Forbidden-E-Word-Why-You-Cant-Escape-Extinction-e3hrkaj
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Duration seconds: 2317

## Resource

In this episode of the No Man’s Land series, Sean and Mike tackle the 'forbidden E-word' of ABA: Extinction. While cancel culture and critics often paint extinction as cold or outdated, the guys pull the curtain back to show that it’s not a trend—it’s a law of behavior. Whether you call it 'planned ignoring' or 'compassionate support,' if you change a reinforcement contingency, you’re implementing extinction. Sean and Mike dive into the messy reality of extinction bursts, the 'vending machine' analogy of human behavior, and the controversial rise of 'Kind Extinction.' They argue that the science hasn't changed; our clinical skill just finally caught up. Stop avoiding the uncomfortable and start understanding the mechanics of how learning actually happens when the 'house rules' change.

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