# Episode 36: Who The Hell Is That with Dr Lou Sandler-Dosing Disruption & Why 40 Hours is the Gummy Bear of ABA

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Podcast: [Rad N Bad Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/rad-n-bad-podcast-7370394)
Published: 2026-05-11T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sean-carrero/episodes/Episode-36-Who-The-Hell-Is-That-with-Dr-Lou-Sandler-Dosing-Disruption--Why-40-Hours-is-the-Gummy-Bear-of-ABA-e3h8c5e
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## Resource

In this "Who the Hell is That?" episode, Sean and Mike welcome Dr. Lou Sandler , a 45-year veteran of the field who isn't afraid to take a sledgehammer to the industry’s "sacred cows." The trio dives deep into the "40-hour work week" obsession, the private equity takeover of behavioral health, and why we’ve traded clinical precision for billable presence. From the "seismograph" data of failing center-based programs to the "pink dumbbell" of low-intensity dosing, this conversation is an unapologetic call to return to the human side of human behavior.

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