# Episode 35: Prove It: The Policy Shift That’s Forcing ABA to Grow Up

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Podcast: [Rad N Bad Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/rad-n-bad-podcast-7370394)
Published: 2026-05-01T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sean-carrero/episodes/Episode-35-Prove-It-The-Policy-Shift-Thats-Forcing-ABA-to-Grow-Up-e3im4kn
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## Resource

ABA is under pressure—and a lot of it is deserved. In this episode of Rad N Bad , Sean and Mike break down the real impact of North Carolina’s recent Medicaid policy changes and what they signal for the future of the field. This isn’t speculation. This is a direct response to rising costs, federal audits, and growing questions about how ABA services are delivered and justified. For years, the industry has been highly effective at getting services authorized—but far less consistent at proving meaningful, real-world outcomes. Now, states are starting to ask better questions: Why this many hours? What is actually changing outside the session? Can caregivers implement the intervention independently? Where is the plan to fade services? North Carolina didn’t eliminate ABA. They challenged it. And in doing so, they introduced a new reality: Telehealth is being restricted Supervision is being defined and enforced Parent training is no longer optional High-intensity services must be justified—monthly Exceptions for rural and underserved areas must be proven, not assumed This episode goes beyond the policy language and gets into what it actually means for providers, BCBAs, and organizations trying to navigate the shift. Sean and Mike also call out the uncomfortable truth: At some point, hours became the product. Instead of focusing on independence, generalization, and caregiver competency, parts of the field leaned into volume—and now the system is correcting it. But this isn’t just criticism. They break down what a defensible, outcome-driven model actually looks like, including: Lower direct hours with higher impact Parent-Mediated Intervention (PMI) Caregivers as the primary agents of change Measuring outcomes through adaptive functioning and real-world performance Building mo…

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