# 488 | How Public Defenders Can Fight for Our Clients and for Funding by Engaging with the Media w/Maggie Shepard and Bob McGovern Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern.md Podcast: [Public Defenseless](https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959) Published: 2026-06-16T10:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://publicdefenseless.libsyn.com/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-wmaggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern Audio file: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/publicdefenseless/Final_Maggie_and_Bob_Audio.mp3?dest-id=3187490 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/public-defenseless-4627959/episodes/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern Duration seconds: 3790 ## Resource Today, Hunter was joined by Maggie Shepard and Bob McGovern. Bob and Maggie serve as communications directors for Public Defender agencies, and they joined to discuss how they are helping Public Defenders better engage with the media. Guest: Maggie Shepard, Director of Communications, Law Offices of the Public Defender, New Mexico Bob McGovern, Director of Communications and Special Counsel, Committee for Public Counsel Services, Massachusetts Resource: New Mexico LOPD https://www.lopdnm.us/offices/ CPCS https://www.publiccounsel.net/ Contact Maggie and Bob rmcgovern@publiccounsel.net maggie.shepard@lopdnm.us Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home **** ALL OPINONS SHARED BY HOST HUNTER PARNELL DO NOT REFLECT THE THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS OF THE AURORA MUNICIPAL PUBLIC DEFENDER**** ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/public-defenseless-4627959/episodes/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/public-defenseless-4627959/488-how-public-defenders-can-fight-for-our-clients-and-for-funding-by-engaging-with-the-media-w-maggie-shepard-and-bob-mcgovern.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.