# A DSM Conversation with Dr. Allen Frances

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Podcast: [PsychRounds: The Psychiatry Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/psychrounds-the-psychiatry-podcast-6714703)
Published: 2026-02-25T06:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/psychrounds/episodes/A-DSM-Conversation-with-Dr--Allen-Frances-e3fhuqv
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## Resource

We are back with another special guest episode! Please welcome Dr. Allen Frances, who was intricately involved in the formation of both the DSM III and DSM IV, the latter of which he served as chair. https://x.com/AllenFrancesMD https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001HO76FU https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/authors/allen-frances-md

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