# Between The Wish & Reality

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Podcast: [Psyche](https://stenobird.com/podcast/psyche-5592447)
Published: 2026-06-24T13:02:06+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/quique-autrey4/episodes/Between-The-Wish--Reality-e3l7jlr
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## Resource

In this episode, I sit with one of Alfonsa’s most devastating lines in All the Pretty Horses : “Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting.” I explore this through Freud and psychoanalysis — the movement from childish wishing into the painful terrain of reality, mourning, and adulthood. John Grady’s love for Alejandra is not dismissed as fake or foolish. The longing is real. The beauty is real. But McCarthy shows us that desire always has to pass through the world: family, history, class, gender, violence, loss, and forces outside our control. This becomes an episode about heartbreak, fantasy, regret, and the impossible “might have been.” Psychoanalysis helps us see that maturity is not the death of desire, but the painful transformation of desire into something human-sized. The wish remains, but it can no longer demand that the world obey it.

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