# This Is How OpenAI Goes Broke — ft. Sebastian Mallaby

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Published: 2026-07-10T08:15:00+00:00
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Ed Elson sits down with Sebastian Mallaby to discuss why he believes there's a real chance OpenAI runs out of money within the next 18 months, and what that would mean for the broader AI industry. He also explains why he doesn't necessarily see Meta's decision to sell excess compute capacity as a bear signal, why he was encouraged by the Trump administration's new AI policy, and how he expects the AI race to unfold over the coming years. Sebastian Mallaby is a prominent journalist, author, Pulitzer Prize finalist, and senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. His latest book is The Infinity Machine: Demis Hassabis, DeepMind, and the Quest for Superintelligence. Subscribe to the Prof G Markets Youtube Channel  Check out our latest Prof G Markets newsletter Follow Prof G Markets on Instagram Follow Ed on Instagram, X and Substack Follow Scott on Instagram Send us your questions or comments by emailing Markets@profgmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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