# CPO Rising Series: How Treasure AI CPO Is Rewriting the Rules of Product Leadership

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Podcast: [Product Talk](https://stenobird.com/podcast/product-talk-216178)
Published: 2026-06-05T14:04:00+00:00
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## Resource

What if the biggest bottleneck in your product organization is no longer engineering capacity or even go to market speed, but change management? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Jay Patel, Treasure AI CPO Rafa Flores speaks on how the role of product leadership has fundamentally changed, why the "ship perfect" mindset is now a liability, and what it actually looks like to build an AI native product culture that keeps human judgment at the center. From his journey immigrating from Honduras to leading product at a global agentic AI platform, Rafa brings a rare combination of personal conviction and technical fluency to one of the most honest conversations we have had about what great product leadership looks like right now.

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