# Product Pals: Rethinking Operating Models with John Cutler

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Published: 2026-03-04T07:45:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode of Product Pals, Charlotte and Kiet sit down with John Cutler — one of the most distinctive voices in modern product thinking and operating model design. For many in the product community, John needs no introduction. But for those newer to the space, he is a seasoned product leader, educator, and systems thinker with over two decades of experience across product management, user research, enablement, and frontline roles. He is currently Head of Product at Dotwork, where he explores how operating systems and decision frameworks can help teams build better products with greater clarity and intent. John is widely respected for his thoughtful writing, practical mental models, and ability to surface the messy realities of product work — challenging cargo-cult agile and simplistic takes on what “good” looks like. In this rich and energising conversation, we explore: • John’s career journey into product • How he writes so consistently (without over-optimising for algorithms) • What operating models actually do inside organisations • How product thinking translates beyond tech and “pure” product companies • AI’s real impact and use cases • The future of product management Along the way, John shares many insightful stories and powerful mental models in product. This episode is thoughtful, sharp, inspiring — and weirdly comforting. If you’re navigating product, leadership, or operating change in this evolving world, this conversation will leave you thinking differently. If this conversation sparked new thinking for you, here are a few deeper dives we recommend: 1. John Cutler – What does it means to be Product Led? (LinkedIn) https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johnpcutler_i-have-been-thinking-a-lot-about-what-it-activity-7405101035184128002--e5K/ 2. TBM #406 – Seeing…

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