# What Good Design Can Teach Us About Bad Processes - With Jon Yablonski

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Podcast: [Process Debt](https://stenobird.com/podcast/process-debt-7039689)
Published: 2026-04-17T11:00:00+00:00
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Jon Yablonski — creator of Laws of UX and veteran designer across automotive, aerospace, and SaaS joins us to talk about what good design and good process have in common. We get into why pretty things fool us, why nobody reads the manual, the myth of the ideal user, and why working inside constraints might be the most underrated skill in any discipline. Plus: what Slack's onboarding, a Cadillac knob, and a chess lesson all have to teach us about how humans actually learn.

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