# How to Engineer the Perfect Product Market Fit

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Podcast: [Problem Solvers](https://stenobird.com/podcast/problem-solvers-1046679)
Published: 2026-02-16T08:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/EML5253214046.mp3?updated=1771208252
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## Resource

Joey Zwillinger, the founder of Allbirds and Biologica, sat down with Jason to talk about the challenges of finding your ideal customer. Joey's done it both ways. Starting with a product and searching for the right people to buy it, and starting with a problem and building the solution. In this conversation, he breaks down what actually works when you're hunting for product-market fit, and what to do when your customers surprise you (because they will). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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