# What Ethical Adoption Actually Looks Like: What You Should Know About the Business of Family-Making with Marjie Alonso Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/private-parts-unknown-sex-love-around-the-world-220056/what-ethical-adoption-actually-looks-like-what-you-should-know-about-the-business-of-family-making-with-marjie-alonso Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/private-parts-unknown-sex-love-around-the-world-220056/what-ethical-adoption-actually-looks-like-what-you-should-know-about-the-business-of-family-making-with-marjie-alonso.md Podcast: [Private Parts Unknown: Sex & Love Around the World](https://stenobird.com/podcast/private-parts-unknown-sex-love-around-the-world-220056) Published: 2025-12-17T13:30:00+00:00 Episode link: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/claritaspod.com/measure/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/EDGY6152896634.mp3?updated=1765945185 Audio file: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/claritaspod.com/measure/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/EDGY6152896634.mp3?updated=1765945185 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/private-parts-unknown-sex-love-around-the-world-220056/episodes/what-ethical-adoption-actually-looks-like-what-you-should-know-about-the-business-of-family-making-with-marjie-alonso Duration seconds: 2562 ## Resource Save 10% on your next Fleshlight with promo code 10PRIVATE at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fleshlight.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. For the 238th episode of Private Parts Unknown, host Courtney Kocak welcomes adoptive mother and writer Marjie Alonso. In this interview, Marjie unpacks what ethical adoption actually looks like—and why the familiar “better life” narrative so often obscures power imbalances, secrecy, and profound loss. Drawing from her experience adopting two sons from Paraguay and later taking them back to meet their birth mothers, she explains the concept of the primal wound, how adoption can impact adoptees (and everyone involved) across a lifetime, and why infertility or loss is not, on its own, a reason to adopt. We dig into the hidden economics of adoption, the business of family-making, and how a system built around demand can slide into coercion and trafficking. Marjie also speaks candidly about reckoning with her own choices, what she wishes she had understood earlier, and why flipping the script—from “adults who want children” to “children who need families”—is essential to imagining a more ethical future for adoption. For more from today's guest, Marjie Alonso: Subscribe to Marjie's Substack piecesofstring.substack.com Follow Marjie on Bluesky bsky.app/profile/marjie.bsky.social Get your copy of Girl Gone Wild from ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bookshop.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Amazon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Psst, Courtney has an 0nIyFan$, which is a horny way to support the show: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/cocopeepshow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Private Parts Unknown is a proud member of the Pleasure Podcast network. This episode is brought to you by: VB Health offers doctor-formulated sexual health supplements designed to elevat… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/private-parts-unknown-sex-love-around-the-world-220056/episodes/what-ethical-adoption-actually-looks-like-what-you-should-know-about-the-business-of-family-making-with-marjie-alonso/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/private-parts-unknown-sex-love-around-the-world-220056/what-ethical-adoption-actually-looks-like-what-you-should-know-about-the-business-of-family-making-with-marjie-alonso.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.