# Transforming Animal Training: Fact, Woo Woo, and Science in Practice

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Podcast: [Precision Animal Training](https://stenobird.com/podcast/precision-animal-training-7776184)
Published: 2026-05-26T17:08:50+00:00
Episode link: https://precisionanimaltraining.transistor.fm/11
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In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey explore the evolution and global impact of modern animal training. They discuss the Baileys’ and Brelands’ pioneering workshops, the challenges of traveling with chickens, and Marian’s health struggles, which eventually led to Dr. Bob Bailey taking the lead at Animal Behavior Enterprises. The legacy of their methods spread worldwide as students brought the knowledge back to their home countries. After Marian’s passing, invitations for Dr. Bob to teach internationally grew, expanding the reach of their work even further. The conversation highlights the universality of behavioral principles across species, shares the story behind innovations like the “keep going” signal, and touches on the human side of things - resilience, mentorship, and adaptation - that have shaped animal training’s effectiveness and global influence. Kirsten and Dr. Bob also reflect on the importance of maintaining scientific rigor while staying open to curiosity and new ideas. 3 Key Takeaways 1. The Spread of Animal Training Methods Worldwide Dr. Bob Bailey explained that the global expansion of their techniques came largely from students who attended workshops in the US and then took the methods back to their own countries. International teaching invitations increased after Marian’s passing, helping spread the methodology even wider. 2. Scientific Integrity vs. "Woo Woo" Science Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey stressed the importance of scientific rigor in animal training. Dr. Bob cautioned against teaching unproven or speculative “woo woo” ideas, emphasizing that only what can be observed and measured should be presented to students. 3. Innovation in Animal Training: The "Keep Going" Signal The episode covers…

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