# What it takes to trust AI | Kanjun Qiu

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Podcast: [Possible](https://stenobird.com/podcast/possible-6189144)
Published: 2026-06-03T07:01:00+00:00
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## Resource

Before Kanjun Qiu raised $200 million from NVIDIA and others to build reliable AI agents, she was writing high-frequency trading algorithms to pay her way through MIT. Today she leads Imbue, an AI lab unusually focused on power, agency, and what it would take to make AI systems trustworthy by design. In this episode, Reid Hoffman and Aria Finger sit down with Kanjun to explore what it means to truly own your AI tools, not just use them; how to build agents that are systemically trustworthy, not just convincingly so; and why the future of AI may depend as much on moral invention as technical innovation. From meditation and the amygdala to Adam Smith and open-source software, this is a conversation about the deeper architecture of the AI future. For more info on the podcast and transcripts of all the episodes, visit https://www.possible.fm/podcast/

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