# Wayne Swan on a 'dramatically different' political contest

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Podcast: [Politics with Michelle Grattan](https://stenobird.com/podcast/politics-with-michelle-grattan-590458)
Published: 2026-07-15T19:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://theconversation.com/au/podcasts/politics-with-michelle-grattan
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The outgoing Labor president explains why no votes can be taken for granted in a time of 'anxiety and insecurity'.

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