# Penk's verbal nuclear bomb inflames defence debates

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Podcast: [Politics NZ](https://stenobird.com/podcast/politics-nz-7561226)
Published: 2026-06-05T17:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In Focus on Politics, Russell Palmer recounts how and why a debate about nuclear free policy ended before it began, links to defence spending, and the impact on the relationship with Australia. Go to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details

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