# Bayo Akomolafe, PhD | Mapping New Realities

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Podcast: [Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl](https://stenobird.com/podcast/point-of-relation-with-thomas-huebl-6051750)
Published: 2026-03-03T07:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
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This week, Thomas sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author, Bayo Akomolafe, for a philosophical and spiritual exploration into how we understand reality and the radical perception shifts and awakenings that are necessary for true social transformation to become possible. In his uniquely poetic way, Bayo interrogates traditional solutions to social and ecological problems that only uphold harmful norms, and offers that real change is brought about through what he calls “cracks”—disruptions to systems and modes of thinking that inspire new ideas instead of trying to bring about change via the ineffective paths that are already built into our failing social structures. He and Thomas discuss the discomfort that comes with ushering in new realities, and how important it is that we lean in to this uncomfortable uncertainty, embrace radical compassion, and rethink our relationship to the more-than-human world. ✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/U7kgPzozjlY Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Bayo Akomolafe is a widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of books including These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak. Bayo is the founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online post-activist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’. He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California, and the University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. Connect with Bayo here: 👉 https://bayoakomolafe.net ✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Ou…

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