# Rich Harris on fine grained reactivity and async first frameworks

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Published: 2026-02-05T13:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Rich Harris explores how fine-grained reactivity and async-first primitives can eliminate the performance overhead and complexity of modern web frameworks. He argues that moving away from manual data orchestration toward co-located, schema-validated remote functions is the key to scalable web development.

## Highlights
- Main idea: Modern performance issues stem from developers fighting tools rather than using primitives that naturally handle dependencies
- Failure mode: Manual data fetching outside the rendering process leads to 'colocation problems' and unmanageable component trees
- Practical takeaway: Using schema-validated remote functions (RPC) ensures type safety and prevents runtime errors during client-server communication
- Main idea: Async-first frameworks aim to make parallel data fetching the default, preventing the 'waterfall' performance bottleneck
- Practical takeaway: Developers should experiment with emerging reactive primitives to help shape the next generation of web tooling

## Topics

Svelte, React Server Components, Fine-grained reactivity, Web performance, Type safety, RPC, Frontend architecture, Async-first frameworks

## Chapters
- 1:00 — The true cost of frontend performance: A discussion on whether developers prioritize productivity over the network overhead caused by modern framework primitives.
- 4:10 — The limitations of RSCs: Analyzing why traditional React Server Components struggle with expressing dependencies and managing data fetching.
- 7:20 — Fine-grained updates vs. Virtual DOM: Comparing the efficiency of updating specific DOM nodes versus the overhead of Virtual DOM diffing.
- 10:35 — Removing the Server/Client distinction: How SvelteKit avoids the developer experience friction caused by separating server and client component logic.
- 13:40 — Avoiding async waterfalls: The importance of preventing sequential asynchronous updates that degrade application performance.
- 16:45 — The risks of automated async work: Discussing the 'foot guns' developers face when frameworks take over asynchronous orchestration.
- 19:45 — Achieving type safety through inference: How co-locating data and components allows for better type inference compared to manual prop passing.
- 22:50 — Validation-first RPCs: Implementing schema validators as the first argument in remote functions to ensure robust data integrity.

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