# Why Independent Podcasters Need More Than Downloads with Liam Heffernan

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Podcast: [PodBiz | Where's The Money In Podcasting?](https://stenobird.com/podcast/podbiz-where-s-the-money-in-podcasting-7400830)
Published: 2026-06-29T11:00:00+00:00
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Can independent podcasters compete without millions of downloads? Liam Heffernan thinks they can, but only if they stop treating downloads as the whole story. As Founder and CEO of Mercury Podcast Network, Liam has built a business around supporting the independent shows that often get overlooked by larger networks. For him, the opportunity in podcasting is not just about scale. It is about helping creators understand who they serve, how their audience behaves, and where real value can be built. Liam joins us to discuss why community matters more than raw download numbers, what independent creators should look for in a podcast network, and why mid-sized shows can be some of the most commercially interesting podcasts in the market. We also get into what makes a podcast a good fit for Mercury, why the relationship between creators and networks needs to be more than transactional, and how independent podcasters can think more strategically about growth. Liam also shares the story behind Independent Podcast Day, a new initiative celebrating the creators building shows outside the traditional media system. From launching Mercury to creating Orbit, Liam offers a practical look at the future of independent podcasting and why creators do not need the biggest audience to build a sustainable business. “For me, the money is in community.” “Downloads at face value are such a vanity metric because they only tell you a small part of the story.” In this episode, we discuss: Why downloads only tell part of the story How community creates stronger monetization opportunities What independent podcast networks actually do for creators Why mid-sized podcasts are often underserved How Mercury Podcast Network evaluates new shows Why niche audiences can be more valuable than mass audiences Th…

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