# What Podcasting Can Learn From YouTube Growth with Rox Codes

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Podcast: [PodBiz | Where's The Money In Podcasting?](https://stenobird.com/podcast/podbiz-where-s-the-money-in-podcasting-7400830)
Published: 2026-03-16T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/podbiz-flightcast-rox-codes
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Is podcasting focusing on the wrong metrics? For years, the business conversation around podcasts has centered on CPMs, ad fill rates, and monetization mechanics. But Rox Codes believes the bigger opportunity lies somewhere else entirely: growth. Rox is the CEO and co-founder of Flightcast, a platform built with Steven Bartlett that brings YouTube-style analytics and experimentation into podcast publishing. His background comes from the YouTube creator ecosystem, where content strategy revolves around testing, packaging, and constant iteration. As Rox puts it: “The money in podcasting traditionally has been where can I find an extra dollar? Like how do I up my CPM or my ad fill rate… fill rate and CPM. But if you made the episode better, you’d hit another mid-roll. If you got people to listen 5% longer, you’d hit another mid-roll.” In the YouTube world, creators obsess over packaging: thumbnails, titles, and audience retention. Rox argues that podcasting can learn from that playbook. “On YouTube, if you want to make an extra dollar and you’re getting 1,000 views, you have one option. You get 2,000 views.” But applying that mindset to podcasting isn’t simple. The medium operates with less data, fewer discovery systems, and a very different culture around creators and content. In this episode of PodBiz, Rox joins Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan to discuss the analytics gap in podcasting, why experimentation matters more than many creators realize, and how platforms may evolve as video and audio ecosystems converge. In this episode, we discuss • Why podcast monetization conversations focus heavily on CPMs • What podcasting can learn from YouTube packaging and discovery • The analytics gap between YouTube Studio and podcast hosting platforms • Why experimentation is es…

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