# The Shift to Subscription Podcasting with Sam Sethi

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Podcast: [PodBiz | Where's The Money In Podcasting?](https://stenobird.com/podcast/podbiz-where-s-the-money-in-podcasting-7400830)
Published: 2026-04-20T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/podbiz-true-fans-sam-sethi
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## Resource

How do you make money from podcasting when listeners are skipping ads? Sam Sethi has spent his career at the intersection of tech and media, from Microsoft and Netscape to co-founding TechCrunch. Now, as CEO of True Fans and co-host of Podcast Weekly Review, he’s focused on one thing: building direct relationships between creators and audiences. For Sam, the future of podcasting isn’t built on ads. It’s built on fans. “The word of the year is parasocial… it’s a one way deep relationship that fans have with creators.” In this episode, Sam breaks down why subscription models are gaining momentum, why downloads are no longer a reliable metric, and how podcasting is shifting toward direct monetization through community, access, and multi-platform experiences. In this episode: Why subscription models are overtaking ad-based podcast revenue The “death of the download” and what should replace it How parasocial relationships translate into monetization Why listeners are actively avoiding ads The shift from platform dependency to creator-owned ecosystems How real-time consumption data changes measurement Why micropayments haven’t scaled yet but still matter The role of curiosity in building long-term success Episode Moments: (01:46) Where the money in podcasting is shifting (03:17) Subscription vs advertising models (06:13) Why listeners skip ads (10:02) The role of trust in host-read ads (17:20) From radio to podcast workflows (19:27) How top shows identify high-performing clips (24:37) The “death of the download” (32:22) Building True Fans and creator ecosystems (34:12) Real-time listening data explained (43:39) Micropayments and creator monetization (45:12) Curiosity as a competitive advantage (59:29) What’s next for podcasting About Sam Sethi Sam Sethi is the CEO of True Fa…

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