# Heartland: A Forgotten Place, an Impossible Dream, and the Miracle of Larry Bird with Keith O'Brien

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Published: 2026-03-02T09:20:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2722

## Resource

Jim welcomes award-winning journalist and New York Times best-selling author Keith O'Brien to discuss his new book, “Heartland: A Forgotten Place, an Impossible Dream, and the Miracle of Larry Bird." First, Keith and Jim discuss Larry Bird's unsung supporting cast on the 1979 Indiana State team (14:42). Next, they cover the "what if" scenario of Larry Bird playing all four seasons of his college career for Bobby Knight at Indiana University, before deciding who the GOAT of Indiana basketball is between John Wooden, Larry Bird, and Oscar Robertson (19:06). Finally, they debate whether we will ever see another Larry Bird again in college basketball (40:06).

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